Comments on: The Eye of Orion http://atypicalreview.com/weblog/the-eye-of-orion reviews and witterings on tv, film, games and the like Tue, 11 May 2010 12:01:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jackson http://atypicalreview.com/weblog/the-eye-of-orion/comment-page-1#comment-3355 Jackson Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:23:02 +0000 http://atypicalreview.com/?p=2002#comment-3355 <p>You make sense. All good points.</p> <p>The only thing I'm taking seriously about your blog is the fact that I can't find any copies of the Star Trek Blu-ray in stock.</p> You make sense. All good points.

The only thing I’m taking seriously about your blog is the fact that I can’t find any copies of the Star Trek Blu-ray in stock.

]]> By: Tom Charman http://atypicalreview.com/weblog/the-eye-of-orion/comment-page-1#comment-3354 Tom Charman Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:46:38 +0000 http://atypicalreview.com/?p=2002#comment-3354 <p>Re: the first point, I think it depends on the context. In <em>The Wire</em>, say, I would completely agree with your point. When it comes to the hero of an action-adventure story though, I feel it's a little murkier. i.e. if the Doctor is racist in an episode of <em>Doctor Who</em> (which he has been) then he'd generally learn the error of his ways by the end (which he did, if I'm remembering 'The Curse of Peladon' correctly.</p> <p>Ahem.</p> <p>Anyhow, as always I'm not really fussed as to why they did it, though your explanation seems plausible. I'm also not taking things too seriously here. I'm just amazed that they went with an "all you people look the same to me" joke (or at least, a joke that relies on this element). </p> <p>I bet the Orions (or however you refer to them) are up in arms.</p> <p>I agree, if the girl was the same skin colour as Kirk it wouldn't have seemed as silly. I guess my main concern is, Kirk's supposed to be pretty damn smart under all the horniness and arrogance, but this scene just made him seem like a douche.</p> Re: the first point, I think it depends on the context. In The Wire, say, I would completely agree with your point. When it comes to the hero of an action-adventure story though, I feel it’s a little murkier. i.e. if the Doctor is racist in an episode of Doctor Who (which he has been) then he’d generally learn the error of his ways by the end (which he did, if I’m remembering ‘The Curse of Peladon’ correctly.

Ahem.

Anyhow, as always I’m not really fussed as to why they did it, though your explanation seems plausible. I’m also not taking things too seriously here. I’m just amazed that they went with an “all you people look the same to me” joke (or at least, a joke that relies on this element).

I bet the Orions (or however you refer to them) are up in arms.

I agree, if the girl was the same skin colour as Kirk it wouldn’t have seemed as silly. I guess my main concern is, Kirk’s supposed to be pretty damn smart under all the horniness and arrogance, but this scene just made him seem like a douche.

]]> By: Jackson http://atypicalreview.com/weblog/the-eye-of-orion/comment-page-1#comment-3353 Jackson Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:14:42 +0000 http://atypicalreview.com/?p=2002#comment-3353 <p>It's not really a joke about how all Orion Slave girls look the same. It's about how Kirk thinks they all look the same- that is not the same thing.</p> <p>It's not just me splitting hairs here - a character can be racially insensitive without the movie endorsing that kind of behaviour, can't it?</p> <p>Look- I'm not defending the scene, and I don't like the idea of Kirk not being able to tell the difference just to serve a joke and am glad they cut it, and shame on the writers for not recognising that it could be interpreted they way you have. I just take umbrage at the suggestion that the writers wilfully and intentionally made a joke that all xxx look the same - it's clear to me they aren't.</p> <p>On a side note - promiscuous guys not being able to recognise girls they've slept with certainly a joke I've seen in movies before. It reflects on the character - it doesn't suggest that we all think all women look the same. You wouldn't have got here if the girl was the same skin colour as Kirk.</p> It’s not really a joke about how all Orion Slave girls look the same. It’s about how Kirk thinks they all look the same- that is not the same thing.

It’s not just me splitting hairs here – a character can be racially insensitive without the movie endorsing that kind of behaviour, can’t it?

Look- I’m not defending the scene, and I don’t like the idea of Kirk not being able to tell the difference just to serve a joke and am glad they cut it, and shame on the writers for not recognising that it could be interpreted they way you have. I just take umbrage at the suggestion that the writers wilfully and intentionally made a joke that all xxx look the same – it’s clear to me they aren’t.

On a side note – promiscuous guys not being able to recognise girls they’ve slept with certainly a joke I’ve seen in movies before. It reflects on the character – it doesn’t suggest that we all think all women look the same. You wouldn’t have got here if the girl was the same skin colour as Kirk.

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